Skinseed Pro for Minecraft App Reviews

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SSM?!. I used to enjoy this app much more when skinseed messenger was still available. Now people can’t update their pfps and are stuck with what they have.. I personally believe this is making people want to delete this app. I hope that sometime soon this app and its features are brought back because personally I can’t find a real reason to stay.

bucket. I like this app so far as it being my default choice to create Minecraft skins. it’s great so far but what I think is missing from it is a paint bucket or something that will cover up the whole skin when you edit it. it will save time and effort.

BUGS!! PLEASE READ THIS!. I was just getting some new skins for my wardrobe but suddenly the game crashed and kicked me out so I reopened it and I only had one skin!(I had tons of skins) So I went out and then reopened it again and still only had one skin. So I shut down my device and went back in and got back in the app and still only one skin! PLEASE PLEASE FIX THIS! I’m really upset right now I even bought no ads. I honestly just really want my skins back. So please fix this!

...well. I love the concept but I’ve had this app for three whole years! I wish that you would have trusted users or even people who work for your company flag skins because of flag abuse. Also can you please have some filter thing for the popular page? Make it so real skins pop up. I don’t like the click baiting.

Really.... I like this app a lot. It’s fun. I can make cool skins and post it and stuff. But one thing that makes me really irritated, is when I have to do something else and copy my description for the skin, and come back to it being all gone. So at that point, I’m like: “Don’t worry! I copied it.” Well, your app doesn’t let you paste. So allll of my writing is gone. And I have to do it over again. I’m not saying I’m lazy, I just don’t want to have to re-write the whole 7 paragraph description on the skin. Now don’t get me wrong, I like this app. It’s really fun to make a skin, and have people interact and stuff. But that one thing is annoying. Thank you for letting me use it. ~CrazyBird

Bugs. The new update is great, but after I’ve made a skin I can’t seem to save it. I’ve tried exporting to photos, copying it and trying to save the copy, and exporting it straight to my Minecraft. Nothing is working for saving my skins. Is anybody else having this problem?

amazing app .. when i first began playing Minecraft with my best friend, we wanted to find an app that was easy to use and could provide us with free skins. then we discovered skinseed. it is so easy to download any skin you want, as well as put imagination to play and create your own. i find absolutely no bugs or glitches, which is surprising for such an underrated app. if you are looking for a way to look even better then the poor saps who actually purchased them from Minecraft, skinseed is for you. I don’t see any reason why you wouldn’t get this game. i give this 5 stars. (skinseed is free, however skinseed pro costs a little more with the fact that it works better in general.)

great app (pls read suggestion). i love this app, i could talk about how often i use it and how much i like it for hours. HOWEVER i really wish there was a way to organize skins. for example, i make a ton of skins just for myself. i wish there was a way to organize the skins i make for myself and the skins i share into folders. it would be amazing to organize skins into folders. THAT IS ALL PLEASE DEVS GIVE ME FOLDERS IM DESPERATE <3

Suggestions!! NEXT UPDATE!. I would like to see in the following updates that we would have a tag feature on Skinseed! Before we post the skin, we can tag what the skin is related to so it makes it easier for people to search skins that is related to what they’re looking for!! ❤️

PearlyBoutique review. This is such an amazing app to use to make skins,it makes it so easy too,this is an amazing app!i just have one question on how to remove ads from ur skins? Edit:so I just remembered that y’all should make a verification so nine year old kids don’t post skins and say bad words or talk about furry s__!

Good but one thing. This app is great I had the original one fist then bought the pro and I cant find the difference so please at least show the difference on the cover

Nice app but a few buggy bugs. Ok first of all let me just say that I LOVE Skinseed. I love the 128x128 skin feature so you can make more details in your skins. There are a few bugs in it though. When I try to change my User Name it doesn’t change it. Please try and fix this!

Love it but gotta issue. I’ve used this platform for a while making skins and what not,but I cant import my skins from my photos To fix anything if i need to..Kinda annoying but this is the best skin app out there

Fantastic but CANT UPLOAD!!!. Ok so The app is great. The copy and paste tools are awesome and it’s so easy to use. However, when I go to download the skin to MCPE, it says Allow to use photos. Ok, reasonable. I go to settings, yet I can’t allow it to use photos! I’ve tried so many times, yet no luck. Because getting the skins to use is the main purpose and it’s so frustrating, that’s why I gave it such a critical score. Please fix this. If you do, it’ll be the perfect skin app.

Hashtags. Hastags, I’ve noticed, work fine in regular Skinseed but don’t work in Pro. Because pro costs money, it should be better, but this just made it worse. Please fix. Thank you.

Awesome, here’s an idea!. So I love this app. It is so good, you get to see other people’s skins, create one, so I recommend it to all my friends who have no skin but I have an idea to make it better! Add capes! This way, I don’t have to spend $3 on a cape creator that just lets you see them.

Great! Except one thing;. When I'm making a Skin, and I'm using the second layer. I hit the button to let me see the default under layer and it just shows up blank. Can you fix this please? It only happens on the arms and legs. Thanks! Keep it going!

Help 😭. So a while back I had deleted the app from my phone so I could save storage and download it again when I wanted another skin well- the app won’t go away and I can’t open it or anything and it won’t delete and I’m clueless on what to do 😭😭😭😭

Good app,. It’s the same as the free one, so it’s a donation basically but I would rate it five stars if there were more things for paying for the app like an upgrade to the skin editor or it allowed you to get mods, so just scale up the quality and options that would improve the app

Good but. I want more for my money then just no ads like maybe importing a photo for your profile picture and the ability to sort your wardrobe/ shared skins into folders

HELP?. so i got skinseed pro because i really liked the benefits and i like making skins but when i went to go log into my account on here it wouldn’t let me use the correct facebook account i originally logged in with? it’s keeps taking me to an old facebook account and won’t let me change it to the correct one. how do i fix this? i really want to start using my account again :((. please help!

Suggestion? / complaint. I wish it was easier to make a 128x128 detailed skin. mcpe allows it now. and i baught the pro version expecting that i could do that because of the picture!... also my complaint is why pay for something when its exactly the same as the normal. i get it its 99 cents but still it would be anther thing if it had 128x128..

App Crashing. The app crashes every time I try to launch it. :/ And I have an iPhone 8+ which is not even old so I don’t know why the app is crashing. Basically speaking I can’t use the app in anyway and I don’t want to delete it cause I don’t know if that will solve the issue and I will loose all the skins that I have saved in my wardrobe. Please update to fix crashes.

Please make it so we can put downloaded skins for 128. I love this app so much! But when I download a skin to my photos and try to put it in my wardrobe it doesn’t work (this is only for 128 skins)... I think this app would be a lot cooler if u made this Change! Other than that I love the app!!!!

It’s the same app. Sry for the two stars, but I really feel that this is the same app as Skinseed, just it requires money to use. Ngl, it is useful for having many calelogs of skins, for example professional and funny. But otherwise I would not recommend getting this app and get the normal skinseed for free unless I’m missing something.

Buggy buggy hashtags. Look, I just got this app today ever since I got the free version of Skinseed and had it for almost an entire year. There’s just one bug that I’m writing a review about. And it’s the hashtag bug. I’ve been trying to tap on hashtags, but it doesn’t show me anything that has the hashtag in the description of the skins that do have it. I kept reloading and reloading, but it seems like it doesn’t work. I mean, I would have bought the ad-free on the free version, but I rather buy the pro version. Anyways, I hope you would fix this bug so I can see all the skins that has the specific hashtag in the description. That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. 💚 [ Skinseed User ] 💚

Best Minecraft skin app. I love Skinseed it has so many amazing features to it that make it stand out and you can search skins you can make skins in so much more I just hope they add some more features

Making skins. I love Skinseed, it is a amazing app for making skins. You can make 64 x 64 and 128 x 128, which is great. But I’d like to make a suggestion so that making skins is easier. 1. Copy paste. So my first suggestion would be copy paste for skins. And I don’t mean the one you already have, I mean where you can select more than one side to copy paste or maybe add a “Copy whole head.”, “Copy whole Body.”. You get the gist of it. It would make skin making easier because it’s much faster. 2. A bug/glitch I’d like to report. So the glitch or bug is when you click on the add skin button, then you go to take from camera. When you click on that, then you select a skin, right? When I select a 64 x 64 skin from my camera, I have no problem. But when I try to select a 128 x 128, it says invalid skin format.

Great, but needs improvement. The app’s great and generally easy to use, but it needs to be improved in some areas. It would be a great help if we could use hex codes/rgb codes, so we can get a specific color. I, like many others enjoy creating skins of our characters and it’s hard to do that without the ability to get exact colors. It’s also finicky when you try to change which side of the body you’re coloring on, so that needs to be improved too. It’d also be amazing if we could search skins by type like searching skins by pixel count or by normal or slim skins

Suggestion. This is just a suggestion. I love the app. My suggestion: you need to make a website for Skinseed. Rumor has it MC Xbox one edition’s (Bedrock) getting custom skins, to where you can save files on Xbox now. So I would like to download my skins on Xbox, but the only way to do that is upload my skin to imgur or something.

Dislike Button. I love skinseed and it’s an awesome but you should add a dislike button becuase you already can like skins but a dislike button would tell people who dislike there skins to make more of the skins people are not disliking so plz plz plz add this in the app I think it would be an awesome feature plz plz plz Thanks -HeatedEnderFlame

Can you update it. I don’t have any ideas but we have not hade this update a long time we need something new added it just we need more stuff to this point people are leaving skinseed we just need more stuff so plz add more stuff like new tools and new modes and stuff like that

Hashtags Don’t Load :/. Whenever I tap on a hashtag, it doesn’t load the content / the skins posted under that hashtag name. I try opening hashtags in the free version of Skinseed and they work just fine. Please fix this bug on the pro version, I want to be able to load hashtags without having an ad pop up every couple of minutes. thanks for reading, if you did.

Love it but have a suggestion. I use this app for all of my skins and it is great but I wanted to know if for an update you guys could make it so you can organize your skins like into groups to make it easer to find them. I’m starting a role play and I have loads of skins but their all over and I’m tired of scrolling to find them. Except for that the app is great.

Help?. I love this app but whenever I go to import a skin it just doesn’t work. It’s probably just a bug for me but how would I fix it? (I’ve been using the app for like two years so I know how to import skins.)

Exporting to Skinseed Photo doesn’t work. I love Skinseed; It is one of the only mobile Minecraft Java/Bedrock skin designing apps worth downloading. I have a minor problem, though. When you go to export a skin to Skinseed Photo (am I the only person who uses that app anymore?), it would usually pull up a window with exporting options where you would then tap Skinseed Photo, and it would export the skin there. For some reason, whether it is because of the new iOS 13 update or something (I don’t know exactly), Skinseed Photo is no longer an exporting option. To summarize, because I never make any sense, I am unable to export skins to Skinseed Photo. Please fix this as soon as you can. Thanks! -Tyler Collins

Profile pics. Are you able to add skinseed messenger back on the AppStore if not it’s okay and if people use inappropriate pictures as there profile could you like make them verify or like do a survey before they make that inappropriate picture there profile pic like example “are you sure you want this as your profile picture?” And “we must make sure your old enough to use this as your profile so please take this survey or answer this question” I feel bad for asking other people to do my profile picture because I feel like I’m wasting their time also this is just suggestion but Skinseed is still good

The difference. If you have downloaded the previous skinseed I advise you to not get this app cause of difference in how far advanced it is. I’d this 4 stars because of the easier accessibility in how to create a skin but overall to sum it up it is Veerryy similar to the previous app. In the logo of this new skinseed pro it shows the user select between the pixels of which you can paint I got this app because of simply that. Turns out you cannot. But overall it has gotten better with color variation and accuracy in which color you have selected. If you can do an update between pixels that would be great Thanks. [skinseed pro user]

Good, but some bugs.. Hello there, I am here to share my opinions on the app. Overall, it’s pretty good, really, the skin making is fun, I come across very few bugs, and overall a fun app to talk with people and share skins, but, whenever someone mentions me in a comment it says “*Insert name here* has mentioned in you in a comment” I actually didn’t realize this one until my brother pointed it out. Another bug is whenever I tap a hashtag I can’t see any of the skins in it, do you think you could fix that? Anyways, thanks for reading, once again, the app is great other then that one hashtag bug..

Pls a little different. I like it but it’s just like the other maybe add games we can even play that would be super cool not gonna lie so I give 5 when you the update that’s it so make it please

Great app but Triggered_inc. Triggered_inc is bringing down reviews he hates lbgtqa+ he steals skins and makes fun of ppl with depression, adhd and other ppl with disabilities so every one of his accts should and WILL be banned but other than that great app!

Photos. I think you should still be able to copy a photo and put it on the skin but you just can't post it on the app. I wanted to make a skin with a photo but this "feature" made me pay for nothing

Notifications Pile Up Glitch. I use Skinseed Pro a lot for finding skins and textures. One of my friends like to comment on my skins but the problem is they all pile up even though I looked at the notification already. It will be zero notifications, a friend likes, comments my skins and then it will be 100 notifications. I really need help because it’s starting to get on my nerves.

Update?. Hello this app is great but skinseed pro has two things only no ads and something else but this app should let you change your profile to a picture and more stuff so you can get more people buying this app one suggestion is that you make a special skin for us to make and let us change or profile pic to something better let us access more colors and let us make our bio longer Thank you User : TheDinoKing

It’s great but GOD. It’s a great app for making skins, but PLEASE make it so that you can import 128x128 skins from your camera roll. It’s so annoying that you can’t do that, considering I have a lot of skins I made that I planned on editing, by importing them through my camera roll, but can’t due to the fact that “it uses an unsupported format”. So you can make 64x64 skins, and you can import 64x64 skins from your camera roll. Cool. You can make 128x128 skins, but you can’t import them from your camera roll. Why limit it to 64x64 being imported? I’ve had to remake all of the skins I had from scratch because of this. Please do introduce a way to import 128x128 skins normally.

What’s the difference?. What’s the difference between the pro and original.I got the pro and I don’t see a difference.....maybe for creating skins idk

Good but one thing to suggest. I love the skins and all of the creators, but I do have one thing that I wish was there. I wish there was a way to filter out classic and slimmed skins. I got this app so I could get a nice skin for PC but Its taking quite awhile to find a skin that isn’t 128x128.

File Option is gone. In previous versions, there was an option where you could select skins and turn them into a file. You could then export the skins to Minecraft as a skin pack. In the latest version, the feature was missing. Please add it back in the next version.

I used to use this app all the time😭. I loved this app so so so much, but now when I go on it says this certificate is invalid, and then I can't search through skins. PLZ fix this, or tell me how I can fix this.

Shut down the community.. Hello. I love this app, wait what? I do NOT like this app at all. Why? Because 70% of the community is trash. The use this skin to bully and to harass straight people instead of making SKINS, what this app SHOULD be used for. And don’t even get me started on that stupid “KiLl AlL bLaCkS” troll skin. My only solution: Shut down the community. No online, no harassment. Problem solved. Save Skinseed from its awful community.

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Worst than same. THIS IS WORST THAN SAME DID U EVEN KNOW THAT THE FREE ONE HAS OVE 100 MIL SKINS AND THIS ONE ONLY HAS 10 MILLION SKINS NEVER BUY THIS

I’ve never seen anything so PATHETIC!. I knew I should’ve read the comments before I bought it! We’re not exaggerating when we say it’s the same. Every. Single. Feature. Is. The. Same! If u ask me to spot the difference, I’d only say the icon and price because those are the only differences! And they don’t really count because we’re talking about the features it CONTAINS, not its visual features outside of the inner app! Well done skinseed, WELL F#%*?#G DONE!!!

The same thing. The same thing as the free one but still I can tell everyone I have the pro version

Everything is exactly the same as the free version. This is $#!T. I paid for this app and it was exactly the same as the free version. Don’t waste your money ladies and gentlemen.

Why the same??. Srsly skinseed? This is a waste of money. It's exactly the same as the free app. Why, just why? I was looking forward to getting the "pro app" and it just has this? Thx a lot for wasting my money...

A glitch that needs to be fixed!. When u press the websites it exits the app and its really annoying!!!! Please fix it!!!!!! Please!

OMFG OLD UPDATE PLEASE. I HATE THIS NEW UPDATE IM 10/11 AND I CANT EVEN WORK OUT WHAT TO DO AND IM SICK OF IT PLEASE DO THE OLD UPDATE OR MAKE IT EASIER THX ASHLEIGH

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Avian. I absolutely love this app, but there are some people on here who aren’t very nice people, I think all accounts should be scanned for any racism, pornography and hateful comments towards people, thank you! ❤️ 🇨🇦

Worst app ever. My skins never go through and when I try to contact anyone they don’t anwser it’s been 6 months since I asked for help

THE NEW UPDATE BROKE THIS APP. Hi! Well I got the new update for Skinseed, and the logo disappeared and the loading screen for the update stops at a quarter!!! Please fix this

Banned for no reason. But want to play.. I love the community and the free will to share, but recently my ip has been banned for no reason. Apparently one of my skins got too many reports? It wasn't even a bad skin but i was ip banned. Now i cant use any of my devices to play and post. It makes me sad :(

No ADS!!!. If you get this version you don’t get ads on the app. It’s a yes for me

No differences. It’s honestly not even different then the normal Skinseed, the only difference is that this one costs money. If you get skinseed for free your getting the exact same thing but for free.

Dumb. If u want money then make skinseed pay money not make another app which is the EXACT same if u want skinseed I suggest get the free one they are both the same

Not working..?. For some reason when I wanna go to my camera roll and add a skin from there into the app it won’t work?? It used to work a few days ago but now it’s not and I need to know why please...? Overall it’s a great app though!!

Enable to sign up. Hello I tried to create a account today but I am getting an error message that says unable to generate new user name. Other than that I think your game is really good so I give it five stars hap

needs more skins. the Stanley skin from Sam gladiator

Can’t upload skins from photos. :(

Add capes. This is the best app for creating skins but your missing one thing, capes. Capes would be the best. Thanks bye😄😄😄😀😄😄😀😀😀😀😄😄😀

Not worth it. The only good thing is that there is no ads but excluding that it’s exactly like the free one. I can’t see a lot of skins when searching and that makes it difficult to find skins that I like honestly that just makes this almost useless to me, I can’t even load my 128x128 skins in the app which is upsetting

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It keeps saying error. Nothing will loud please fix it so I can get skins

Good!. I can’t find skins like the free one

Omg, so POINTLESS!. Listen fellas, there’s already a Skinseed. This is a knock-off version, and it’s completely the same is the original app. Skinseed “Pro”, is fake, you dont’t need it, it’s extra money for the EXACT. SAME. APP, as Skinseed. There’s nothing different.

This is great, but one thing. So I love my skins but is it okay if u can add wolf ears and tails to some skins? Like 3D wolf ears and tails? Or 3D wings? Ty if u do

Just no.... When I started the green skinseed it was really fun! But then I (thought) I saw a better app so I BOUGHT it and guess what? It was the exact same as the green one and you just copied that app and had it for money

I used to use this app all the time😭. I loved this app so so so much, but now when I go on it says this certificate is invalid, and then I can't search through skins. PLZ fix this, or tell me how I can fix this.

Question. What happened to Skinseed Messager

:(. - can’t use skin seed messager to change profile picture - can’t look up skins on the community page - skins keep disappearing - errors keep popping up on my screen

I’m frustrated. It wont let me Re download the app without payment info

Want more Google Profile Pictures. I want a feeling of having a picture from google as my profile picture instead of having the normal skin Photo from the wardrobe etc.

Just get the free version. It’s exactly the same just with no ads

Do not buy. The app is fun I have had it for a year now so I bought the Skinseed pro and it Is the same thing but it doesn’t have ads.

Ripoff.. Look I just got it and it's the same as the normal one. TODAY IS MY BIRTHDAY. I just wasted my money to get this app. I WANT A REFUND. Today sucked already and now I've been SCAMMED. Great. Just great. 😡 -An angry 11 year old kid.

Don't get it. It's literally the same thing...

Capes?. Y'all should make it so we can make our own capes.

Fixes. Things you guys need to fix for the Skinseed pro 1. Hashtags doesn’t work for me on Skinseed pro but I think it works on the other Skinseed

Confused. What is the difference between pro and the other one

Great some problems (please read). Whenever I get a skin a day or two later it’s black and Minecraft will say it’s corrupt. Please fix it! Btw I love this app saves a bunch of time trying to find the perfect skin.

Just get the free one. They are the same app

UNKNOWN ERROR. TRying to sign up? Unknown error. View a skin? Unknown error. Loading? Super Slow.

Why just get the free one. I have Skinseed the free one and this one that cost $1.00 is the same as the free one and I'm am so mad. Don’t let them trick you. So don’t download this app get the free one. Also there are just trying to get money. Bye making a “Skinseed pro” because you think it’s worth the money but it is not.

Developers plz read I’m crying irl. Please add brush sizes to place smaller or bigger pixels please I’ve seen ppl in the hide n seek app with them but they say it’s “magic” then bully me PLEASE ADD THIS IM CRYING SO HARD

PLEASE BRING SKINSEED MESSENGER BACK.. Hello Jason Taylor. I would really appreciate it if you could bring back some form of skinseed messenger so we can change our profile pictures. Thank you.

I am Very confused. Whenever i would search up a skin and press community it would say (Global name “k” not defined) Please explain what it means and how can I fix it.

Too many bugs. It's a good app, but you can't upload certain skins even if you got it from the app, it also hasn't been working all day, it just keeps saying an unknown error has occurred, please fix this

Please Fix This App. This is one of my favorite apps, however, now it takes to long to load and then it says unknown error or requested time out. I am very frustrated now and very upset that it is not working, please fix it soon!

Terrible. This app everything was fine but this one bug ruined it 1 time I was editing a skin and everything just froze even when I cleared the app out of my background it’s still like this and it’s frozen so if your thinking if buying this then get a different skin creator for free

What the heck. I did not PAY FOR this app just so I could click it and every time it shuts me right back out to the home screen of my phone. Not cool.

?. This app works well but I’m confused with the difference between it and the free version.

Welp. Can I use the hashtags please and thank you- seriously just buy the ad free version of normal skinseed

Great till now. The skins are not transparent in the places they should be. White color where it is transparent and I have not been able to get my skin to work so :|

Uhhhm. Is there even a difference between Skinseed and Skinseed Pro?

almost exactly like the free version. the only difference between the pro version and the free version is that there are no ads. this version is close to actually being worse than the free version, because there are a lot of bugs and my wardrobe keeps resetting. here are two suggestions: 1.) make the color adding bar a bit bigger or make an option to have it bigger so we can create colors of different shades more precisely, without having to squint our eyes or redo the color entirely multiple times. 2.) add numbers to the side of each square on the outside while editing so that we can duplicate patterns with more ease and without copy and paste. that’s it for my review, i hope you read these suggestions and maybe add them or fix the bugs.

It’s great(But has a problem). It is a great app for skins but something needs to be done about the inappropriate skins that are being spammed all over Skinseed. THIS IS A KIDS APP FOR GOD SAKE.

Why. I can't do anything on it any time I press activity or shared or anything else it says unknown error and won't let me do anything

Fun fact. I need a toothpick

I have a problem. When I look up a skin it doesn’t show anything it just says “global “k” not found? Help

Well. Identical to original but cost money.

It keeps crashing!. Every time I go into the app, it crashes and kicks me out right away! I've tried deleting it, and redownloading it, i've tried powering my phone off and back on and it still did it! I don't know what to do and it's really frustrating!

Great app the new update is great. The Update is amazing now I can see the #blank now

Best app!. No crashing or anything

Problem. I love The app I do but Classic Skins Stopped working in custom skin packs making and etc so Please help fix

Where is it? 💙. I love Skinseed really I do but where is skinseed messenger?? I found out that it’s been taken off of the App Store! Why! Can u please add it back because I want to text my friends from mc and skinseed.

You're ripping people off.... This app is the same as the regular skinseed. The only difference is that skinseed pro is a different color. Also, the hashtags do not work on this app. Basically, you just re-made an app but with lower performance. I want my money back

Annoying furries. They never shut up and are hypocritical, insult and than get offended by an insult, please remove all of them

Skinseed Messenger. Hey! I have been hearing about skinseed messenger lately and couldn’t find it on the App Store... Could you bring it back please? Other than that, great app!

Please add 4D Skins. Please add 4D skins that you can make. That would be amazing because Minecraft Bedrock has a skin customizer with 4D hairs and hats, etc.

Yea not today Satan. Hey I don’t really like this new update with the pixel skins it’s kinda just not something you see the game MC so it’s kinda annoying how everyone is obsessed with it my friend Ash doesn’t like it either

App is amazing when it works. I downloaded this app and it worked for about a day, now it won’t load anything whenever I search for skins, says the data doesn’t match up or something. If it worked it would be an easy 5 stars

Uhm no. Ok so I had this app and I loved it,you could find hd skins and normal skins but... there are really bad things on there like you know inappropriate skins and much much more so maybe makes this a little safer